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Re: PTW basics

Postby mxa5022 on Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:13 am

ok, time to change opening tactics .. now i just have to hope i have enough strength in my hands (which im guessing i dont, haha)
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Re: PTW basics

Postby macguyver on Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:56 am

If you can open your gun with thumb pressure, your buffer cap is not shimmed correctly. Removing one shim can make your gun easier to open, but you can also lose up to 60 fps as you introduce an unstable airseal leak when the cylinder wiggles forward and back. We have had to do this with many of the newest guns as the M130 has been chrono-ing as high as 460 fps and is routinely sitting about 435 fps, which is a ltille too high. Removing one shim can drop it down to 400-410, but it varies quite wildly' and consistancy goesmout the window.

I turn a screwdriver and crank sidecutters for a living and can generate more hand strength than 90% of the people here. If you have to slap the buffer tube, your gun is just right.
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Re: PTW basics

Postby Achilles on Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:06 am

I agree thumb pressure should not be enough but if the gun is upside down on your lap and you are applying your body weight through your thumbs in the seated position, you can apply more force than pure finger pressure. Even a pen pusher like me can do it even though my receiver is otherwise very difficult to open.

I suspect a video would help as the technique is hard to describe in words but easy once you see demonstrated. There is an old thread somewhere where Tackleberry explains the technique - TRH probably knows the one I mean. My gun is being serviced at the moment but I will try and post a video once I get it back if someone does not do it first!

I know there are lots of dedicated 'slappers' out there but you are risking breaking your receiver at a weak point - the buffer tube is only screwed in a few turns into the lower receiver and a large amount of force suddenly applied on the buffer risks breaking the receiver at one of its weakest points.

Hope this helps!
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Re: PTW basics

Postby The Reptile House on Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:09 am

Well put. Yes - it's the advice I got from Tac when I bought my first gun.

I don't find it easy. I have to use a lot of pressure. My thumbs are just about up to it though.

A team mate was a slapper...until he snapped his buffer tube (although it was an aftermarket one IIRC - probably saved him buying a new receiver).
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Re: PTW basics

Postby Achilles on Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:30 am

Now I think about it, I actually use my palm by my thumb
to press down as it allows me to put more pressure on the charging handle and forward assist. Put gloves on though, otherwise you will graze your palm and watch you don't overshoot and graze your wrist!
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Re: PTW basics

Postby old_and_slow on Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:34 am

so, if you turn the gun upside down and apply force through your thumbs the joint will Suddenly Loosen Under Tension

therefore we need to establish whether you are a

SLAPPER or a SLUT

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Re: PTW basics

Postby The Reptile House on Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:40 am

old_and_slow wrote:Suddenly Loosen Under Tension


lol - I'm definitely a SLUT :)
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Re: PTW Basics

Postby Tackleberry on Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:22 am

With my current state of health can we please not mention "loosen" or "tension"....... :shock:
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Re: PTW Basics

Postby The Reptile House on Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:28 am

Ew!

Opening a receiver will never be the same again ;)
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Re: PTW Basics

Postby rizla on Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:28 am

Tackleberry wrote:With my current state of health can we please not mention "loosen" or "tension"....... :shock:



That's nasty! :D
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Re: PTW basics

Postby The Reptile House on Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:12 pm

Achilles wrote:There is an old thread somewhere where Tackleberry explains the technique...


Here you go:

http://www.systema-ptw.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8242
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Re: PTW Basics

Postby Turtle on Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:21 pm

FAIL:

Mr Reptile House that was an appalling introduction..

How to be a SLUT:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8242
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